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McCain, Obama duel on economic fix-it plans

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Jul 7, 3:39 PM (ET)

By CHARLES BABINGTON and LIZ SIDOTI
(AP) Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, talks about economy during a...
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DENVER (AP) - Barack Obama and John McCain agree on this much: The economy is staggering under the Bush administration, and Americans are hurting. But who's to blame and how best to fix it?

Well, they part ways on that, as they made clear in dueling economic speeches Monday on the issue that has taken center stage in their presidential contest.

Obama said that McCain offers "exactly what George Bush has done for the last eight years."

"The progress we made during the 1990s was quickly reversed by an administration with a single philosophy that is as old as it is misguided: reward not work, not success, but pure wealth," Obama said. Grounded by plane trouble in St. Louis, he phoned his remarks to a gathering in Charlotte, N.C.

(AP) Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, talks about economy during a...
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McCain has been forced into a more defensive crouch because his party has held the White House while jobs, home values, stock prices and consumer confidence have tumbled.

While calling Obama's plans expensive and unwise on Monday, he tried to distance himself from President Bush where he could.

"This Congress and this administration have failed to meet their responsibilities to manage the government," McCain said in Denver. "Government has grown by 60 percent in the last eight years. That is simply inexcusable."

He promised to veto "every single bill with wasteful spending."

McCain has said the economy is not his strong suit, and on Monday he seemed eager to show a deeper understanding of the topic, even as he dismissed experts.

(AP) Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his wife Cindy McCain board his...
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"Some economists don't think much of my gas tax holiday," he said of his plan to temporarily suspend the federal levy on motor fuels. "But the American people like it, and so do small business owners."

Obama calls that plan a gimmick that will not lower gasoline prices.

The Democratic senator favors tax cuts for middle-class workers and tax increases for top earners. He calls for substantial government subsidies for health care, college, retirement and alternative energies.

McCain pledges to cut taxes for all and raise them on none. Government should shrink, not grow, he told his audience in Denver.

From a political standpoint, Obama's selling job would seem easier. McCain has linked himself in many ways to the struggling administration, including his call to continue Bush's first-term tax cuts, which he initially opposed.

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A recent poll by Democracy Corps, which is run by Democratic strategists, suggests that voters are very much up for grabs on economic issues.

Asked to react to descriptions of the candidates' economic plans, 50 percent said their views more closely resembled McCain's goal of cutting taxes for the middle class and for businesses, simplifying the tax code, maintaining free trade and eliminating government waste.

Forty five percent said their views more closely resembled Obama's goal of cutting taxes for 95 percent of American families, eliminating special tax breaks for big corporations, renegotiating trade treaties, creating jobs by investing in research and education and in new energy sources.

At the same time, 49 percent said their views closely tracked Obama's portrayal of McCain's economic plan as a continuation of "the failed policy of George Bush." Four out of ten said their views were closer to McCain's claims that Obama's plan calls for up to a trillion dollars in new taxes as well as "a massive increase in federal spending, including a federal takeover of health care."

Obama renewed his call Monday for a $50 billion "second stimulus package that provides energy rebate checks for working families, a fund to help families avoid foreclosure, and increased assistance for states that have been hard-hit by the economic downturn."

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He said he would eliminate income taxes for retirees making less than $50,000 a year. People still working, he said, would be automatically enrolled "in a workplace pension plan that stays with you from job to job. And for working families who earn under $75,000, we will start that nest egg for you by matching 50 percent of the first $1,000 you save and depositing it directly into your account."

McCain's plans include doubling the child tax deduction from $3,500 to $7,000 "for every dependent." He also cited his plans to cut the estate tax, although Democrats note that it applies to few Americans.

McCain would provide refundable tax credits of $2,500 for individuals, and $5,000 for families, for all those who buy health insurance. Employer contributions toward health insurance would be treated as income, meaning workers would have to pay income taxes on it, but not payroll taxes.

Obama says that plan would seriously undermine the employer-based system that provides health insurance to about 158 million workers. He would require most employers to provide health care for their workers or pay into a national health care plan.

McCain said Obama's plan would hurt small businesses and hamper job creation.

McCain restated his support of free trade, though acknowledging it "is not a positive for everyone." He promised to retrain workers who lose their jobs to overseas plants.

Obama has said he would revisit major trade pacts such as the North America Free Trade Agreement. He said Monday that he believes in free trade, but the cause is not helped "when we pass trade agreements that hand out favors to special interests and do little to help workers who have to watch their factories close down. There is nothing protectionist about demanding that trade spreads the benefits of globalization as broadly as possible."

In Denver, McCain repeated his call to build at least 45 new nuclear plants, which he said "will create over 700,000 good jobs to construct and operate them."

Obama has said he would consider nuclear energy as part of a broader approach to energy production, which would emphasize renewable fuels.

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Associated Press writer Liz Sidoti reported from St. Louis. AP writer Jim Kuhnhenn contributed from Washington.

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HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 10:56 AM

"This Congress and this administration have failed to meet their responsibilities to manage the government," McCain said in Denver. "Government has grown by 60 percent in the last eight years. That is simply inexcusable.” He promised to veto "every single bill with wasteful spending."

How many of those bills that increased government spending had McCain’s or Obama’s signature? Probably all of them, because Liberals only call legislation “wasteful spending” when the tax dollars go back to those they were taken from.

HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 11:00 AM

[In Denver, McCain repeated his call to build at least 45 new nuclear plants, which he said "will create over 700,000 good jobs to construct and operate them."]

Would love to see this, but with all the Left wing wackos connected to power, I doubt it will ever happen. The Liberals want to control the people with limited power, not free them with making power available.

caseyjones38 read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 11:49 AM

The solutions differ, but they ARE in agreement on the problem.

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 11:59 AM

I AM NOT a whacko, hybrid! Just a person with a different point of view.

HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 12:28 PM

Girlscout - " I AM NOT a whacko, hybrid! Just a person with a different point of view."

So you would oppose Nuclear power, while complaining about high power costs? Please elucidate on your comment.

caseyjones38 read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 2:00 PM

Maybe because solar power and wind power present more viable options. No worries about nuclear accidents, no nuclear waste disposal problems, etc.

HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 2:58 PM

CaseyJones – “Maybe because solar power and wind power present more viable options.”

Interesting.

A question: If Solar and Wind power are more viable options, why has the private sector not invested in these options? If they are so viable, why do tax payers have to subsidize them to keep them alive? If they are so viable then why do they require BIG OIL to subsidize them? They may turn out to be the Edsel of energy so why keep them alive?

If you had a car that required you to fill the tank every five miles, and had to rob your neighbors for the gas money, would you consider that viable also?

Sure, the sun and wind are free when they are available, but they just don't work (yet).

HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 3:02 PM

Here's a story from the UK Daily Mail. The headline is it all: "Research: Wind Power Pricier, Emits More CO2 Than Thought." It's an interesting look here at the overall effects of the use of wind power. The bottom line is because of the variability of wind, the gas turbines used to supplement a wind plan will result in an overall net increase in CO2 emissions than if the power grid was planned as solely relying on gas turbines with no wind power contribution. In other words, wind is variable, meaning some days there isn't going to be any, some days there's not going to be enough even though there's a little bit, some days it's not going to come from the right direction, and so on. The days where wind is powering all the stuff that you need electricity and other things for, when the wind's not there, they have standby gas turbines, and the gas turbines are going to make more pollution than if they just relied on gas turbines permanently.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/03/wind_power_need
s_dirty_pricey_gas_backup_report/

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 4:32 PM

I have NEVER complained about the high gas prices on these blogs. Yes, I am leary of nuclear power. An accident could be devastating. Am I against nuclear power totally? No. Am I for more research into solar and wind power? Yes!

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 5:15 PM

And yes, wind power and solar power are not viable in certain parts of the country. Why not use them in the parts that ARE viable? Common sense needs to be used here. It IS viable to use wind power in Cleveland. We are windier than Chicago on average (11 miles per hr.for Cleve. - 10 miles per hr. for Chicago). I try to keep an open mind and think of ALL ways we can find energy. I am not close-minded enough to think we can use ONLY nuclear power and not consider any alternatives.

caseyjones38 read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 8:53 PM

"A question: If Solar and Wind power are more viable options, why has the private sector not invested in these options?"
Answer: They have. Do you know who owns the windmill farms up around Allentown, Pa.? Try Florida Power. Now if Florida Power owns investments in alternative power in Pennsylvania, how many other like situations exist in our` country ?

caseyjones38 read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 9:01 PM

Next you`re going to tell us not to eat beans because that leads to methane gas emissions that could lead to worldwide explosion and catastrophy.

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 9:34 PM

I mentioned this on another blog. When new things are invented, sometimes big corporations buy up the ideas, because they don't want the competition. Or they don't want the new technology taking over and putting them out of business.

HybridTalk read my blog view my photos
Jul 9, 2008 | 9:07 AM

CaseyJones – “Do you know who owns the windmill farms up around Allentown, Pa.? Try Florida Power.”

I didn’t know that. It looks like Florida Power and Light are a privatively owned company.

“Next you`re going to tell us not to eat beans because that leads to methane gas emissions that could lead to worldwide explosion and catastrophy.”

Not me, but your Global Warming religion members have already covered that subject. Massachusetts is in REAL environmental danger.

LOL!

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jul 9, 2008 | 9:47 AM

Read superbrowns blog in the News section about T. Boone Pickens. This is a plan I can excited about.

caseyjones38 read my blog view my photos
Jul 10, 2008 | 7:51 AM

GS - I read it and you`re right.

TheGalvestonSurge read my blog view my photos
Jul 10, 2008 | 9:10 PM

Funny thing though. The number one opposition to coastal offshore windfarms...ENVIRONMENTALISTS! The number one enemy of Hydroelectric Damns....ENVIRONMENTALISTS!

As for concerns about Nuclear 'accidents'. Only one meltdown has ever occured and we all know how poorly Russia took care of it.
Three Mile Island has no residual effects because the alarm system worked properly.
FRANCE IS USING NUCLEAR POWER! Other countries are laughing at our fear of Nuclear power and refusal to drill.

caseyjones38 read my blog view my photos
Jul 10, 2008 | 10:24 PM

Smilin` Bob ! Welcome to my` humble abode ! There have been countless nuclear malfunctions and accidents and mis-handlings . You asked me not to elaborate, so I will give you a web address http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/nukes/chernob/rep02
.html

The objections to offshore wind farms come from the uppity-upps who are very well-to-do and don`t care what power, gasoline, etc. costs.
This brings me to the Star Trek Movie scene where Spock was dying and his` memorable quote "When the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few....or the one....." I often use this quote, and I think it`s one of the most logical and thoughtful quotes I have ever heard.

TheGalvestonSurge read my blog view my photos
Jul 10, 2008 | 11:44 PM

LOL! GREENPEACE!!!!! Why would anyone use GREENPEACE as a source? But wait. You used the NY TIMES TOO! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Heck, if we're going to trade propaganda
http://www.americanenergyindependence.com/safenuclear.h
tml

There is not one trace of radiation on three mile island today. Even at the time of the alert, the radiation amounts were 1/6 of a typical xray!

"The objections to offshore wind farms come from the uppity-upps who are very well-to-do and don`t care what power, gasoline, etc. costs"
Not true at all. Right now the key opponent to offshore windfarms are people concerned about their effect on fowl. It was shot down in Norfolk for that very reason and also faced the same issue in Delaware (thought it will pass finally). Now of course there are those uppity-ups who claim it is an eyesore.

caseyjones38 read my blog view my photos
Jul 10, 2008 | 11:57 PM

Did you bother to go to the website avd read the documented instances of nuclear near- accidents ? I didn`t think so. It was contrary to almost everything you have said. Also on another blog, it is finally revealed what you are and to whom your` loyalties lie. The oil pirates,or the United States of America.

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I am 70 yrs. old and I have never seen our country in such dire straits as it is today. I was born in W.Va., Grew up in Pa. with Bobby Vinton, and ended up in Oh. Back then, when you graduated from high school in W.Va.,Pa.,or Ky., you received a diploma and a road map to Ohio. I grew up in the 50`s and 60`s, so I know what really good times in our` country were. GOD BLESS AMERICA AGAIN !

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