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My wife one uped me tonight.  We were discussing the whole Wealth Redistribution or Spreading the Wealth around thing....and she told me that this happend before.  I thought she ment that the tax code was written so that is what is happening anyway..and she said ..nope...I said..the New Deal?   She said No.....

Well I finally figured it out...but was wondering if any of you have thought of this....

Give me your best Guess.....it is a perfect example of redistribution and how you can't trust the word of some of those in the Federal Gov....no not Stalin or anything like that...

Any Guesses?? I'll check back tomorrow night and then Give the answer on a New Blog if no one has Gotten it yet....

 

Hey if we can't have fun...at least we can make you think....

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JosephThePoet read my blog
Nov 17, 2008 | 12:02 PM

Anything to do with a tea party?

CultureWars read my blog
Nov 17, 2008 | 1:16 PM

Reagan's Earned Income Tax Credit program?

littlebow2000 read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 10:56 PM

Under Nixon, his revenue enhancement programs along with his wage and price freezes cause a redistribution of wealth.
The wage freezes stayed in effect but the price freezes came off causing the cost of living to go up and wages to stay low. Tax's also went up but they were not called tax increases but revenue enhancements.
This led to a change in corporate reporting of labor to profit cost reporting.

Patch_W_Adams read my blog
Nov 18, 2008 | 7:11 AM

My Wife's example of wealth redistribution is...

The Land redistribution from the Native Americans to the Settlers.

Now some was "purhcased" from certain tribes with promises that it would only include "this much Land" usually divided by some river. The Government would say this far no farther. But in the end that would not be the case.

Just like the Promises now that the Private property(money) will only be taken from "this amount of income" but as History shows it will not be the case. It may start in one "Bracket" but will eventually encompass all of us.

It is a Great example of a small group of people who were wealthy in Property, whom certain people in the Fed Gov decided that for the Greater Good it would be taken away (or "Bought")and "redistributed" to others because the Native American's didn't "need" it.

I know it's a bit simplistic but she made a Good point.

Our Pres elect may not do it after he gets into office, but well see.

And if you still think Redistribtuion of Wealth is a Good Idea, you may want to talk to my wife....


She is part Cherokee.....

kdubken read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 7:43 AM

slaves set free without reimbursement to the owners.

Patch_W_Adams read my blog
Nov 18, 2008 | 8:01 AM

Not sure about that one Kdubken, since people under the Constitution should not be considered property. So in the end the Slave owners were lucky that is all that may have happened.

kdubken read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 9:05 AM

The the biggest redistribution over recent years has been through the courts,with the liability suits of all kinds.
The graduated income tax, of course, is still the champion re-distributor of all time.
If you add Social Security and free health care to the mix we have re-distributed wealth well into the 22nd or 23rd centuries. This happens if nothing at all is added by this congress.

A good way to slow the ultimate failure of The Great American Experiment is to require congress to vote out 10 laws before they pass a new one.
Some kind of cap on a trial lawyer's fee in class action suits is probably a pretty good idea too.

kdubken read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 10:25 AM

Hey Patch-- I know you are a patriot and all and there is no moral defense of slavery.
Under the US constitution, before the Confederate Revolution, slaves were considered property by both title purchase and contractual agreement.
Slaves represented the largest capital investment in the South.
Ironically they represented the largest drain on capital in the South. Slave labor was too costly. It was cheaper to hire free men to do labor than to own slaves.
That loss of capital plus the cost of war kept the Confederate State's economic recovery at a snails pace for more than 50 years.
No punishment is so harsh as the punishment to failed revolutionaries.

CBNSTL read my blog
Nov 18, 2008 | 12:30 PM

go back in the bible. didn't the one dude give his wealth to his two sons. one kid conserved and the other partied the money away. when the party child came home broke, daddy split the wealth again taking from the one who conserved and gave to the one who blew it? isn't that how it went in the bible?

opinionatedlady read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 2:13 PM

I think when you are born you get a check for what it should cost to live a descent life, you can make more of it or you can just live at that medium. And if you blow it don't come crying to the ones that have more.
Like a survivor game--you lose it all they ship you out. But instead of off the island you go on an island so you don't disrupt the rest of us. LOL

littlebow2000 read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 2:18 PM

CBNSTL, you are right.

In todays economy we still see and hear negative thoughts toward others we do not know or understand. kdubken, is one such person. He writes about how people in need are getting help from our government, but feels they are taking advantage of the system. Scrooge, is another person who comes to mind when I read kdubken's responses.

What is going on now in our world, is a system of buying up all the world banking companies. Through our tax dollars.
Citi Group is trying to buy up India banking companies. Wells Fargo has already bought up a major investment firm in St louis. All this is being done with our Tax dollars.

Redistribution of wealth is being done by not so honest banking companies in this country.

littlebow2000 read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 2:27 PM

Patch, thank you for the information. The Cherokee nation was at one time cheated out of their lands. And to this day law cases are pending as to the Cherokee nation and other native American nations getting their land back. Broken agreements that were binding are still a sore issue for most native Americans.

You could say our nation was built on lies by greed people wanting money and property.

Patch_W_Adams read my blog
Nov 18, 2008 | 5:39 PM

Kdubken, yea the whole civil war debate is a hot topic for those that have an opinion. I go to alot of Civil War Book roundtables, and these are some of the most passionate people. Doesn't matter what side they agree with...stubborn Folks..but always entertaining.
Some think that Sherman' March to the Sea wasn't devistating enough, other say it was too harsh. And the Carpet Baggers that swarmed on the South after the war, didn't help much. The whole slavery thing was a hot topic from the time of the revolution all the way up to the Civil war... even today....but I digress..

CBN, I have no Idea, I am not sure I am farmiliar with that Bible Story.

Op Lady,..Lol I may just go to the Island anyway..Sun, Beach, the water...hey might be nice!

Littlebow, yes from some of these companies to the Government it is always a struggle for power and Money. Since it's hard to have the one without the other....
Now that Most important Bailout that had to be rushed that they all voted for, obviously didn't have enough rules in it to keep it on the track they thought it was going to run. But I guess they are just winging it up there..scary thought...but I guess we all are...

I personally think if we protect our neighbors rights to their property then they will protect my rights to mine. And then we can decide as Individuals who needs help and do it accordingly. It always seems like when the government tries to do something, it always costs more, takes longer and is never done right....lol...

I would say LittleBow that the Country at times had people in Charge that d

Patch_W_Adams read my blog
Nov 18, 2008 | 5:43 PM

I would say LittleBow that the Country at time had people in Charge that didn't understand or ignored the Constitution, and made some pretty piss poor decisions. If they would have treated the Native Americans More Honestly or just had an all out war at least the tribe would have known for sure where they stood.(they ahd little Conflicts but kept trying to convince them of their Friendship..of course some of that was the settlers stirring it up and some tribes that didn't want peace...etc..etc..lol complicated mess...)

I understand that we can't condem everyone in the Past of our country, and that hte Tribes weren't exactly Honest themselves sometimes..

But we have to look back and say we have come a long way, we have made our mistakes but we try to learn and carry forward with that new knowledge. Even if the Politicians haven't learned, we must and we must remember, and make them remember....so that they do not repeat the Failures of the past...


Oh little Bow..where did you get your name from? I was just wondering if it was Tribe related.

kdubken read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 8:32 PM

Civil War?? Patch. You must mean the War of Confederate Repressions.LOL
I seldom get passionate. I argue the Civil War from about 4 different stances.
I argue economy from the left, right, and center. I firmly believe that the main value of argument is learning.I have only one name at this group but in other groups I argue with myself to get things going then try to Analise what is said on each side. Something that really surprised me is no argument with provable facts ever comes out in the center. Sometimes the left wins. Sometimes the right. The center can never win it's case for some reason.

kdubken read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 9:02 PM

Littlebow tries hard -- He will make a good repub when he grows up and gets a little experience under his belt.
hey oplady don't cash that check too early. Around my brothers and sisters I'd be broke before I got out of diapers with cash on me.

opinionatedlady read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 9:21 PM

I hear you, I have nine brothers and sisters.

StLouisWatchdog read my blog
Nov 19, 2008 | 6:01 PM

If the money trickles up or it trickles down...just as long as the Rich folks at the top are satisfied that its worth their while to keep your services. I never seen a poor man create any jobs.
The ones with the money keep the gears running.
To think that somebody who works for any company would believe they are entitled to more money, just because the company turned a good profit, is a bad joke.
You are hired in at a given salary. You work for the amount you agreed to.. That pay for work check is ALL YOU ARE ENTITLED TO.
You hire a plumber to work at your house. He does the job and you pay him. That doesn't mean he is entitled to sit down and have part of your dinner.
GM workers make 71 dollars per hour. Plus perks.
Toyota workers in the US get 47 dollars plus perks.
Now, explain to me again... just who is in trouble??

StLouisWatchdog read my blog
Nov 20, 2008 | 12:07 AM

The Indian nations were due to fail. To lose what they had. Once the White man set foot on this soil bringing with them their religion, economic, and social behavior, the American Indian's fate was sealed. Most Tribes could not crasped the white man's concepts.

Just another race falling to the more powerful race. Happens all around the world. For as long as mankind has ruled over itself. All that is required is aan excuse to do so.
The one difference from some of the other conquests in the world were the treaty deals with the indians. Most conquests simply involved killing off those who refused to be enslaved. The Spanish Conquistadors were a classic example.
Indians did not make good slaves. Did not work well in the tasks given them. Especially in the heat of South America. "White Slaves" were imported heavily from Europe. These were people who were in debt or vagrants, ect ect. They did not fair very well. Most died from sickness. The Black man fit the bill perfectly.
The beginning of the slave trade from Africa had NOTHING to do with the color of anybody's skin. The British began the Slave routes. They decided that that the residents of certain African sections were not civilized because they showed no sign of an organized religion. At least the Brits didn't see any.
From that point on it was pure economics.
Strange how England abolished Slavery throughout the ENTIRE Bristish empire with the use of Diplomacy and the stroke of a pen.
We on the other hand had to damn near kill everybody off just to ban it in a handful of States. And Yes I am aware that the Civil

StLouisWatchdog read my blog
Nov 20, 2008 | 12:09 AM

And Yes I am aware that the Civil war WAS NOT Fought to Free the Slaves. It was fought to preserve the Union. The States suceeded because they were agreement that the rights of each State to Govern themselves was being threaten.
And that Lincoln did not FREE ALL THE SLAVES. Only those in the States that suceeded were included in the proclamation.

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