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PROTEST WAR, NOT SOLDIERS
Mar 21, 2008 | 4:21 AM
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Nothing ever ceases to amaze me more, than the similarities between some War Protesters and the man they hate, BUSH. Because for some of them, Bush and themselves are ONE.  It is about repeated mistakes.

Mistake one by Bush: For having gotten us into another insane unwinnable war.

Mistake two by Protesters : For once again turning and diverting their anger from the one who has driven us back into this pit,

To the soldiers being forced to fight, kill, & die in it. But they refuse to acknowledge their MISTAKE. Again ranting every time a U.S. soldier mistakenly kills the innocent. The screams of BABY KILLERS once again over 40 years later, ring out in the atmosphere.

I literally HATE BUSH, I HATE and Do Not Support his War. But I'll be Damned if I stoop to his level and continue to make, THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST WITH HIM.  And if SOME of these protesters would stop and listen to what is coming out of their mouths. They to would realize how Similar they are to Bush.

All I know is the soldiers that fought in Nam, did not deserve to die, did not deserve to be maimed both physically & emotionally. And Nor do these soldiers fighting in the different venues throughout the Middle East. Yes believe it or not, in a War you have to KILL to keep from GETTING KILLED. And sometimes the innocent venture into the way. And don't ever think for one second that the involved are unaffected. Because YOUR WRONG.

If we truly learned anything from the Nam Vets, the emotional toll at times are worse than the physical ones. And sometimes the physical wounds are more easily treated than the ones that can't be seen with the eyes.

Only the ones who have been, know what they feel.

 

You can be against the War, but My God

Be Smarter this time around and keep things in perspective. When these soldiers joined the service, they certainly didn't think they would literally be held Hostage. With one extended tour after the next. Some have served upwards of 8 tours of duty IN COUNTRY. Contrary to some news sources who would have you to believe that MOST, are dedicated to their cause.

What they are indeed dedicated to is their buddies, to whom they serve with. Some are in different regiments, and when some units time are up and their orders come.  The ones whose haven't and are left, and the ones who leave are riddled with guilt for having gotten their orders home. They feel in their minds that they should still be there, even though in Reality. THEY DID THEIR PART. AND THEY EARNED THE RIGHT TO LEAVE. Their wounds you cannot see. What ever my views are or your views are, I know one thing, I would not want to be in these soldiers shoes. And they deserve BETTER, than the Rants of the Past. That's why I can say I'm AGAINST THE WAR, BUT I'LL NEVER BE AGAINST THE SOLDIERS.

During Nam, the War Protests started out to be exactly that. PROTESTING THE WAR, and some how in the midst of the insanity, unfortunately PEOPLE BECAME F'D UP. And turned their anger and Diverted it in the wrong direction. Question is: Have we after all this time gotten any smarter ? Or are we all as Dumb as BUSH ?  Better do some soul searching, and for everyone's sake Please come up with the right Answer. These people that scream you can't be against the war and at the same time support the soldiers. I SAY YOU ARE WRONG.

For the Soldiers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5gqv0Nnv70    Nam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-thc-sWNcGU   Iraq

 

Once I Was...1967, Tim Buckley

Once I Once I was a soldier
And I fought on foreign sands for you
Once I was a hunter
And I brought home fresh meat for you
Once I was a lover
And I searched behind your eyes for you
Soon there'll be another
To tell you I was just a lie

And sometimes I wonder
Just for a while
Will you remember me?

And though you have forgotten
All of our rubbish dreams
I find myself searching
Through the ashes of our ruins
All the days when we smiled
And the hours I ran wild
With the magic of our eyes
And the silence of our words

Sometimes I wonder
Just for a while
Will you ever remember me?
Ever remember me?

 

YES I WILL REMEMBER YOU.

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bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 5:47 AM

Longshot,

Have you ever served in the Military? I'm confused about your post. I'm sure you know that the military is an all volunteer force.

My question is what are you trying to say? I understand you don't like Bush, but you can't compare the two (nam or Iraq) there's a difference.
DazedandConfused50
Mar 21, 2008 | 5:49 AM

Powerful video's Longshot. Thanks
DazedandConfused50
Mar 21, 2008 | 5:52 AM

I think her post is very crystal clear.
Longshot read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 6:38 AM

bye-bye Mi

You look at the video's, then tell me the difference between the two. Tell me what you view in both that are different.

Re-read the post, comprehend the message of the post.

There is NO DIFFERENCE.

And yes dazedandconfused50, message is crystal clear.


There always has to be one, that can't comprehend what they've read. So only thing left to do is ask a unrelated question that has nothing to do with the Thread. Does somebody have to have served to understand?
Again, Only the ones who have been, know what they feel.

Get it yet? PROTEST WAR, NOT SOLDIERS

bye-byeMI
Mar 21, 2008 | 5:47 AM Longshot,

Have you ever served in the Military? I'm confused about your post. I'm sure you know that the military is an all volunteer force.

My question is what are you trying to say? I understand you don't like Bush, but you can't compare the two (nam or Iraq) there's a difference.

Out of my entire post, is this all you got out of it? Not being sarcastic, but yes you are confused. I couldn't of made my point any clearer.

To some, never underestimate the Power of Denial.
bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 8:28 AM

Yes there is a difference, that's what I mean by being confused. You can't compair the two.

Vietnam is totally different from Iraq. I'm sure you don't understand. I do agree about the protesters part. I understand your part of protesting the war and supporting the Soldiers.
My question to you is that the Military is an all volunteer Military. I've have friends that volunteer to do multiple deployments. I was asked to do multiply deployments, the key word, ASKED.
The bottom line is that your post is a politic post. If it wasn't you never would have mentioned Bush. Do you see my point? Believe me, I'm not in denial, I served in Iraq and the Army for 20 years! I deployed under the First Bush and Clinton too. Just because I don't agree what you post doesn't mean I'm in denial. I asked you if you served in the Military, your getting your views from a song. You don't have to support the current President, I understand that and I'm glad you support the Military and I Thank You for that.
Ratt_Killer read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 9:18 AM

This military is an all volunteer military.
My Son was accepted into the ROTC. Before he took the contract I told him to answer one question: You know this is an ALL volunteer military, can you accept the fact that you WILL be sent to war at one time in your career that you may disagree with yet still have to serve?
His answer was- I volunteer to do what you and all my family members before me did- protect the freedoms of those that can't or won't.

I do not believe in the draft, and those that were drafted to go to Vietnam had a valid point. Your comparing the two is a political ploy to slam this administration and nothing else. You may Hate Bush, which I can understand from your liberal viewpoints, but to disparage the military is just wrong.
I know people that are there right now. Some also do not agree with the Bush Administration, but there is not one that would run and hide from their responsibilities that they VOLUNTEERED for . One friend of mine just re-enlisted after being out for 16 years and was just sent to Iraq last month. This is what shows true valor.
Ratt
jax276 read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 2:55 PM

What is crystal clear to me by comparing two wars with completely different ideologies is that your post is political rhetoric and also you have never been in the military. Since CNN first brought Vietnam into our living rooms people got their first taste of just how messy war can be. They don't want to know what it has taken and what it will continue to take to remain a free society.
shockhazard read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 5:41 PM

The tree of freedom most be watered with blood from time to time .
colt19112 read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 9:31 PM

the only thing that is the same in both wars is the leftist in this country.

We had north vietnam beaten, but the liberals would not let us win.

In this war it was the left again who started to give hope to our enemy if they killed enough of our men and women the enemy knew the left would demand the withdrawl of our troops.

In war you must crush your enemies will to fight as we saw and later was proven correct from hanoi that they saw our weekness (leftist) and held in there until they could force a withdrawl.

THIS MY FRIENDS IS THE ONLY THING THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO A COMMON THREAD IN THESE 2 WARS!
(CAPS TO MAKE A POINT,NOT YELLING)
jax276 read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 9:47 PM

You hit the nail on the head colt..
colt19112 read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 10:25 PM

I often wonder is we has puzzy leftist in the 40's would hitler and tojo have run the world?

Many brave men who died to create this country and others who gave all to keep us free must be shaking their heads in shame of the cowards that we now have in DC and on the streets!
colt19112 read my blog view my photos
Mar 21, 2008 | 10:26 PM

if we had.. damn the typos
sarge-m read my blog
Mar 21, 2008 | 10:29 PM

Way to go Colt. You are %100 good to go.
I liked your M1911 Avatar better, miss it.
Sarge.
Longshot read my blog view my photos
Mar 22, 2008 | 12:57 AM

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF DENIAL.

OUR GOVERNMENT LOST VIETNAM, NOT OUR SOLDIERS OR THE PROTESTERS. From the get go, our soldiers were sent into a war, only to not be allowed to fight it. From day one, the soldiers knew exactly what needed to be done to win that war. OUR GOVERNMENT STOPPED THEM, AND ONLY OUR GOVERNMENT.

Hooray for Colt BLEEP. Your a bunch of pampered babies who know nothing of what you speak. ASK A NAM VET WHO LOST THAT WAR. Being forced to fight with one hand tied behind their backs the entire time U.S. occupied Vietnam

Liberals this, liberals that. You bunch of pukes make me sick. Who in the F' do you think made up most of the troops in Nam: A.K.A. POOR BOYS WAR? And this Bull that you have had to been in service to post anything about WAR OR TROOPS.

I went to my first memorial at age 8 in 1965, for a classmates brother KIA. At Alexander Macomb Elementary on east side. Entire school driven into lunch room. Christ at that age, none of us could comprehend VIETNAM or what is was. We could comprehend somebody dying, our friends loss. But not a WAR being fought half way around the world. But we learned, not slowly but with lightening speed. Because more and more of our friends & family members were being drafted. The only ones not going were the RICH KIDS. They got to go to that other Draft Dodging place called, " COLLEGE ".

So spare me the naive immature BLEEP of VIETNAM. And WHO LOST THAT WAR. Our Politicians lost it, PERIOD. ALL THE POLITICIANS AND THEIR ADVISERS, BOTH DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICANS.

And to RAT KILLER, GO BACK AND SM
Longshot read my blog view my photos
Mar 22, 2008 | 12:57 AM

SMOKE SOME MORE CRACK. DISPARAGE MILITARY? BETTER RE-READ FIRST POST ANOTHER 1,000 TIMES. You got out of it what YOU WANTED. NOT WHAT WAS SAID BY ME.

Video's were in TRIBUTE THE THE SOLDIERS.
Your all a bunch of babies living off your parents. Grow Up.
And go back to school and get a REAL education on Vietnam. My cousin was there, my friends were there, my friend husbands were there. One died at 49 years old, 9 years ago from the affects of Agent Orange. Nothing but medical problems since he left IN-COUNTRY. What do any of you know about anything. COMPUTER GENERATION WITH A LOT OF TOYS YOUR PARENTS HAVE PAID FOR.
I hope there is another draft, because never again in this country will it ever be allowed that only the POOREST of kids will only have to serve in WAR. While the Richest get out of it. DRAFT, then we will really see who supports this useless SLAUGHTER of our troops.
When it becomes a realistic possibility that someones son or daughter may UNWILLINGLY HAVE TO GO AND CAN'T GET OUT OF IT, NO MATER HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE.

Liberals this and that. It was the POOR KIDS THAT FOUGHT IN VIETNAM, THUS THIS NICK NAME WAS GIVING. POOR BOYS WAR.
Longshot read my blog view my photos
Mar 22, 2008 | 1:14 AM

MY VIEWS ARE FROM EXPERIENCING BEING WITH A FRIEND, A NAM VET STILL HAVING FLASHBACKS. BYE-BYE MI.
I only used the VIDEOS AS A TRIBUTE TO THE SOLDIERS. I'm not 10 years old. I'm almost 51.
I get my views from LIFE NOT SONGS. You also got what you only wanted to get from post, not what was actually being said.
TO THE SOLDIERS IN BOTH VIDEOS. YOU WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME TELLING THEM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WARS. ALL EXPERIENCED THE SAME IN BOTH.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.
bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Mar 22, 2008 | 6:59 AM

"I get my views from LIFE NOT SONGS. You also got what you only wanted to get from post, not what was actually being said."

You can't have it both ways!! If it's just for the Soldiers so be it, but when you mention a political figure you make it a political STATEMENT!! Do you understand the difference? You can't say one thing and then make it into a political statement based on YOUR views.
Are you saying I life off my parents? Well, yes I did until I was 18, went to College and then the military until I was 39.
Well you're right, I wasn't in Vietnam and either were you. Like you I heard stories and some of my leaders when I was a Private in the Army were. So I suppose I heard the stories too. Now I have stories from the Wars and Conflicts I faught in. But like RATT and myself said, it's an all volunteer military and when anybody re-enlisted after 9/11 knew damn well what they were getting into.
The whole point I was trying to make was you made it Political that's all. You want to Thank a Soldier that's great, but when you throw your political views into it, you're just has bad as a protester, because that's what you're doing.
Ratt_Killer read my blog view my photos
Mar 22, 2008 | 10:29 AM

Sorry longshot, I just read your bio, I should have said SHE not HE.
Longshot read my blog view my photos
Mar 23, 2008 | 1:30 AM

That is where our Opinions differ Bye-Bye, and the living off the parents remark wasn't towards you. You have, as many people have, TUNNEL VISION when it comes to Politics. YES IT CAN BE BOTH WAYS. And in reality you didn't comprehend the post at all, otherwise there wouldn't be any arguments. It angers and confuses you that a person or many people. HATE BUSH AND THE INSANITY HE HAS CREATED. But that the Hate stops there. It isn't aimed at the Soldiers. They yes joined, and the do take orders. All my post said in reality is, DON'T REPEAT ALL THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST. BUSH MADE HIS, But it isn't too late for people protesting. Just make sure what your protesting against. I'm saying PROTEST WAR, NOT SOLDIERS. In your eyes it can't be done. In Mine, that is all that it can be. Other-wards the Protesters become like the person they're protesting. WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT ? I refuse to take my anger out on the soldiers. What has you confused about that ? Because I hate Bush ? The whole damn thing is political, there is no getting around that fact. But what I cannot figure out is, why you think that the two ( Hatred for Bush, But not hating soldiers ) Cannot be separated. Do you want people treating these soldiers as they did during the Nam era. Because that's what it's becoming. Volunteer or Draft. I DO NOT WANT PEOPLE DIVERTING THEIR ANGER FROM BUSH, ONTO THE SOLDIERS. I make no apologies for that. Can't help it if you and others think that the two can't be separated, because in fact what you want is to believe, even if it's a lie is, THAT PEOPLE ARE ALL PROTESTING THE SOLDIERS I
Longshot read my blog view my photos
Mar 23, 2008 | 1:49 AM

INSTEAD OF THE WAR AND WHO CREATED IT.
When in fact Most are indeed protesting just the war. I started the thread to hopefully make a few people think and make sure, OUR PAST MISTAKES ON THE PROTESTERS END DON'T GET REPEATED.

Shock hazard
"The tree of freedom most be watered with blood from time to time".
As long as it's not your blood or your loved ones blood. Iraq never threatened our freedom.
The blood being shed is for nothing else but Profit for some.


Rat killer, you have so much respect for military. That S**T comes out of your mouth towards them.
Flashbacks are all drug related? You sorry S.O.B.
But at the same time posting, I'M DISPARAGING MILITARY.
F'N HYPOCRITE. Who's insulting them now?
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Born (1957) & Raised in DETROIT. Female, PROUD ITALIAN, Semi-Retired Groom ( worked at DRC from 1976 until the last horse left the grounds in 1998 ) Love Blues, Insane sense of Humor, but have a very serious side. Stubborn. Into Cooking and Common Sense. Democrat: Part Lib/Moderate HAVE A MIND OF MY OWN! Christian: but cannot stand preaching all the time fanatics. ""DIVERSIONS FROM THE BLOG WRITTEN ARE AUTOMATICALLY DELETED. DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH! NOBODY ASKED YOU TO COMMENT"".

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