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I just came back from holiday in England.  So often, when I opened my mouth and exposed my American accent, someone brought up their vehement hate for George Bush.

Forget about what people would say to me when they learned that I worked for Fox News.  Here's the thing: Does it matter what the rest of the world thinks about us?

I'll answer that question and I want to hear yours, but first let me tell you about my trip.  My wife and I took our two kids to England to visit her brother and his family.  They live in the Midlands in a very quaint and old village called Dale Abbey.  Their house was built in 1300.  The village itself was settled around 1100.  Beautiful area, mostly farmland -- rolling hills.  This is Shakespeare country. 

The people are very friendly.  What's interesting is that all private property must have public access or provide a walk way through the land.  Essentially you could walk anywhere.  Most land owners designated a path to follow.  You could walk miles from one town to the next, through some brilliant countryside.

We stayed in a cottage that was first used to house steel workers from the local Stanton Works project.  The owner's of the cottage, Robert and Leslie were most gracious.  Robert is a brick layer by day, philosopher by night.  One night he and his wife came over for tea, and Robert began asking me about George Bush.  When he learned I worked in the news business, he wanted me to come to the town pub to meet his mates, and talk politics.

That night I obliged.  The Carpenter's Arms is a traditional English pub.  On this particular night the pub was packed for it's weekly edition of a table vs. table trivia game.  I met Robert there, and when I got there Robert introduced me to the entire pub.  "Everybody, this is Dennis, a media person from the states who follows politics." 

The trivia game was soon replaced by "Ask the American".  I was propped on a bar stool and began a "one on 40" dialogue with the evening patrons.  The crowd wanted to know why we elected George Bush.  The general sense is that they see him as a kind of dictator.  They view former Prime Minister Tony Blair as his puppet, and the reason for tough times in the English economy.  The War in Iraq brought out the big emotions.  This crowd clearly against the war.  Forgetting their opinions, it was interesting how well informed most were about various Bush policies, his Supreme Court appointments and the like.  They also are following the current presidential race.  They believe Obama will get assassinated if he should win.  Many in the pub think of Americans as violent, gun toting racists, not ready for a black president.  I argued.

We took many day trips throughout rural England and we spent four days down it's what called the Jurassic Coast.  Most of the places we visited are not common American destinations.  On a number occasions, after someone heard me speak and recognized that I was American, they piped up with some anti-Bush comment.  Some rude. Some of the comments empathetic "are you relieved Bush will soon be out of office?" It happens once, OK... but this happened again and again and again.  It happened at a variety of villages and different parts of the country.

I was really taken aback each and every time it happened.  The comments were not invited, and I felt stereotyped.  If I engaged in conversation, most seem to offer that they like Americans, just not our president.  I think the English feel as though most Americans do not like Bush, so it's OK to offer commentary on what they seem to feel is a "how's the weather" conversation.

Here's my take:  When I meet an English person or any person from another country, I will not immediately attack their country's politics or leadership.  Seems rude to me.

It's not lost on me however, just how important the role of the U.S. President is.  I do believe our President is in fact the leader of the free world.  We are still the most powerful nation on the planet and the world looks to us for many things, including sometimes saving their proverbial butts.  It's important that we recognize that concept in this ever-shrinking world.  With the new global economy paradigm, we cannot afford an American back lash. 

The big question:  Do we have the right to attack another nation without UN consultation? If you say yes -- consider Iraq and the giant burden that we have taken on as a nation.  The so-called coalition of the willing is very modest to say the least.  This is America's war, even if it may benefit or harm other countries.

If you say no, then what rights do we have as a country in determining when we go to war? 
Maybe the answer is to this question has less to do with the U.S. relationship with the UN, but more to do with the executive branch having too much power?

My answer to what the world thinks about us is this:  Take care of your own garden first and do unto others as you would have done to you.  We decide what we think is right using our own system of government, but not without recognizing the effect decisions we make here, affect others around the world.  Pollution, war, economic issues go beyond borders, and so should our thinking about such manners. 

What's your take?  Do you care what the world thinks?  How much should our next president care?










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Newyawker read my blog
Jul 1, 2008 | 11:46 AM

Europeans have always subscribed to certain stereotypes about Americans, most grounded at least slightly in reality (many, many Americans know virtually nothing about the world outside our borders, for example). But the views of the people you encountered seem to have devolved from stereotype to outright caricature. We should realize this though: They didn't create these caricatures - they simply picked up on them from our MSM (main stream media). From the remove of Europe, any consciousness of hyperbole we might recognize and balance with other perspectives is lost.

Should we care? I think we have to...although it would have to be tempting to tell them to....what's the expression over there?... p**s off.

On the question of war...leave aside the specifics of Iraq because we'll never have a consensus on that one. In general, should it be left to the U.N. to make the decisions? I think if you follow the proceedings at the U.N. closely, you could only conclude the suggestion is ridiculous. And I think the folks in Darfur, Zimbabwe, etc. would concur. The U.N. at its best is a global forum, but unfortunately, more prevalently it is a global excuse for obfuscation, prevarication and dereliction of duty.

Cat1234
Jul 1, 2008 | 2:33 PM

Kraniak-I'll jump in with this-does it matter what the world thinks? It should be considered, but not become a policy making and law making factor. We should consider the consequences of our actions, but not allow other countries' laws, policies and ways of doing things to govern our country. This is already happening to great extent, with other foreign countries' laws, religions and mores having affect on our constitution, bill of rights and existing legislation. We are catering to what others think and do in their homeland, not how things are established here.

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Jul 1, 2008 | 10:35 PM

Kraniak,

I need to ask, as of right now is the Iraq War even in the Top 5 discussions between Obama and McCain? I'm thinking NO.

I've been to Germany twice in the last three months. I walked into Bars in Parsburg and Munich. Sat next to a Brit from Liverpool. We were talking and asked were I was from. Told him Florida, but born and raised in Michigan. He said he loved Detroit and I laughed and asked him,why? He said he loved the danger of the streets and the fighting he saw and the way the city looked, being run down. He related it to his city of Liverpool.

drerunner read my blog
Jul 2, 2008 | 12:34 AM

I think**** Team Osama Ben Ladin**** got exactly what they wanted. They hit us (America) as the world saw in disbelief!

Europe wont admit it, but they are frighten of ****Osama Ben Ladin****! Yes! they are! So they don't want the Americans- like the loony left here - pissing Ben ladin off. That's the real deal. So they blame Bush!

But just like world war 1 and 2 , Europe buried its head in the sand and did absolutely nothing to prevent the inevitable! They (Europe ,then like now, did not want to deal with Reality. They ,like some Americans, think if you smile at the enemy and "wish the mate a fair day , kind of BS!,the enemy will leave them be. What a foolish way to think! That's Exactly how England dealt with Hitler.

History has truly repeated itself! England placated Hitler and blamed(out of fear) other countries and their leaders for not letting Hitler have what he wanted. Hence-Ben Ladin today and the hatting of Bush.

Each time we had to save these pansies and it's shaping up like we will have to do it again.

England and France just should be D$m lucky they aren't speaking German Right now!!!! A friend of man was band from England for saying that(lol-true story!)

Happyg read my blog
Jul 2, 2008 | 6:22 AM

Simply put, if the Islamic jihadists are allowed to continue their spread of evil unabated throughout this world, all civilized nations will once again look to these United States for leadership and protection. It's just the reality. Englishmen like to complain about just about everything. Just be happy you didn't go to France.

Innocent_Puppet read my blog view my photos
Jul 2, 2008 | 2:38 PM

byebyeMI wrote: "I need to ask, as of right now is the Iraq War even in the Top 5 discussions between Obama and McCain? I'm thinking NO."

In the last few opinion polls I’ve seen relating to issues important to the electorate, the Iraq War has finished either second or third. The economy has been the top issue in the last three I’ve seen (CNN Poll, June 26th, Time Magazine Poll, June 18th, and USA Today/Gallup, June 15th). The other issues that showed in the top 5 were gas prices, health care, terrorism, personal economic well-being, and education.

For me personally, the Iraq War is still the most important issue. It will certainly be one of the top topics that will be discussed in the upcoming debates between the candidates and I think we will see the stark contrast in the two candidates’ positions on this issue. In my view, McCain has stated his intention to follow the very unpopular policies of Bush, so I see this as a tough issue for him.

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Jul 2, 2008 | 10:16 PM

puppet,

The poll I saw was that the War wasn't in the Top 5. The others you mentioned are. Gas prices was #1.
I have to ask, what really got you going about this War? I can see from a civilian side, but from someone that was there? Didn't you see that there was more good than bad? I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm thinking you didn't see what I saw. When I left, the surge was getting ramped up and I was lucky enough to go home due to the fact we were there for a year.
As of a few days ago, the Iraqi Government is asking us to stay. So no matter who gets elected, what do you think will happen if we just said, no, we are leaving, good luck!

missionaccomplished
Jul 4, 2008 | 6:41 PM

You know, you raise your children and send them out into the world and hope the world likes them. You hope the world respects where they came from. But, they don't, most of the world has lost respect for the good old USA because most people have been duped into electing a dictator. Well, they're right. That is exactly what happened, we were fooled, (and to quote a Brit), I hope we don't get fooled again. I'm voting for Obama because McCranky pants has changed his positions on almost every issue a dozen times, he won't bring our soldiers home, He's a populist who will follow which ever way the wind blows, and the way he treated his X-Wife is a story that MUST be told before November and I gaurentee it will be. Google: McCain divorce Carol Shepp

Will the agents of intolerence vote? You know, those crazy christians who always do whatever the guy in the pulpit tells them to do? Sounds like a cult to me. The kind of people who would follow a guy who says all Muslims are evil or that the Catholic Church is a whore. Are thses the views of ALL christians? Of course not, thats why McCranky pants had to back off accepting an endorsment from these idiots, just a couple of days after he was begging for it. Here is the problem. Someone forgot to tell the far right that no one is moving farther to the right. You could stop right where you were at about 10 years ago.

Soon there will be a new enlightenment when everyone sheds themselves of the most evil demon they are afflicted with: ideology!

PS: Google: 'Agents of Intolerence' and see what happens

missionaccomplished
Jul 4, 2008 | 6:59 PM

The reason they hate Bush is because he is an imperialist. He continues policies that hurt the poor here as well as in other countries. The US uses 25% of the energy in the world, yet are population is only 5%. The rest of the world looks at us like we are the bully at the table who eats up way more that his fair share of dinner leaving only crums for those who should be thankful they have anything at all, even if it's an apartment with no electricity and a dirt floor in Iraq.

NO AMERICAN corporation should be allowed to make one dime from oil in Iraq. It should be distributed to the Iraqi people, We should clean up the mess we made there, pay reparations and get out ASAP. That might take a year, it might take 2 or 3 years, that's OK. But if it takes 100 years like McCain says we will lose all respect.

Everyone who has died in Iraq is innocent, everyone!

jrojas28 read my blog
Jul 7, 2008 | 3:23 PM

England just like France are a couple of countries that feel always some kind of jealousy abouth America, we have save them twice in the past and they are very ingrates who should be thankfull we save their behinds and now that we have the islamic trheat they do not do anything about it and England has the most concentration of muslims outside any other muslim country and once again they will need the U. S. to help them but they do not see reality and therefore they criticize everything they see wrong about America.

KeltWolf
Jul 8, 2008 | 2:16 PM

Should we worry what the world thinks? In a word; no.

Why? Because the UN is a corrupt, festering organization bent on 'one world government' which will exclude the US from leadership and/or an influencial position. What the liberal left do not understand is that the focus of much of the UN's corrupt 'leadership' is the downfall of the US.

What that corrupt body doesn't understand is that the downfall of the US would mean anarchy for the world. Why? Because the destabilizing factions; Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, Pakistan, Al Qaeda - etc. would step into the vacuum and attempt to exert their will on the world.

While the US seeks to better other countries and see them succeed; the fall of the US would see many fail and devolve.

I say 'Wake up' to those with the opinions of 'missionaccomplished' before he finds himself speaking arabic, praying in a mosque and seeing his female relatives and friends wearing a burkah.

KeltWolf
Jul 8, 2008 | 2:19 PM

FYI - Those who think foolishly that there is a push towards a 'North American Union' much like the EU - take a look at much of the new product packaging. You will see instructions and information printed in 3 languages:

English
French
Spanish

What does that point to in your eyes?

The UN is pushing for this behnd the scenes. Tell the rest of the world to f$(% off. Obama won't. Why would anyone who loves the US vote for him? Though in my opinion, the fix is in.

LFredSouth
Jul 8, 2008 | 8:23 PM

Hmmmm... fear-mongering, paranoia and pure silliness all in one post. Inspiring. First off: What the world thinks is obviously not unilaterally represented by the UN. People in America aren't going to have Muslim culture forced upon them. That's not even a remote possibility. And three languages for a proposed North American Union? Zounds! That would only make sense if one country spoke Spanish, another had a significant French-speaking population and another spoke mostly English with a large denomination that was fluent in Spanish as well. But that doesn't sound like any continent I can think of.

In summation, should we pay attention to what the world thinks? Yes, to a degree. In some cases, if everyone in the world is screaming at us to not do something, we should listen. Even if we are positive that we'll be greeted as liberators...

LFredSouth
Jul 8, 2008 | 8:32 PM

One more thought. I'm generalizing right now, but many people who subscribe to the stance that KeltWolf offered sometimes blare that the rest of the world hates us. If you want a President who "tells the rest of the world to BLEEP off" (like our current one) how do you not get WHY the rest of the world hates us? Furthermore, how can you blame them?

If you worked with someone who every day came in and yelled, "I AM THE GREATEST EMPLOYEE ON EARTH AND YOU SNIVELING PRICKS WOULD DIE WITHOUT ME!" you would not like that person. And you would be justified in not liking that person. Unlimited arrogance, no matter how legitimate, is still obnoxious.

RicePaddyRob
Jul 8, 2008 | 10:33 PM

Do I care what the world thinks of the USA?
No I do not care what the "World" thinks. The "World" hates us when we do not bend over and kiss their cheeks but they quitely love us when we do their dirty work. Fact is that they love to hate the top guy. Human nature plain and simple.

How much should our next president care?
Not much. If he does think that he can make the world love us he should be placed in a rubber room. The man takes a oath to protect the USA - not the world.

fgeason read my blog
Jul 9, 2008 | 7:40 PM

we should care what other people think because of the simple reason we are in iraq alone. we can not do everythink by our self. this is why you need friends or allies. even the police need back up and so does america. we need help of other counries. we should never go in alone. this is when you get beat. so we should care what people think but not change ourself to make anyone except us. we (america) are the most terrific country in this world. god really did bless america

tlwilliamson read my blog
Jul 10, 2008 | 4:06 AM

the world is hurting ,every single one , in one way or another.we cant fix what the people think or do. it is important to listen.if we turn our heads for one second, we could have another 9/11.i support our troops.even though most, even if they dont say it hates us. they teach there children to hate us,so any quick fix is not going to do away with the hate,no matter how long or how many of our fine men and women get killed over there.protecting us.they want us there to do there dirty work and hate us for it.tell me how we win a war like that..

Volunteer3 read my blog view my photos
Jul 10, 2008 | 8:41 AM

ALL
Review of the posts, and the original brings to mind my Father, listening to Hitler rant, in the german language, via short wave radio, in 1940. He had a langauge lesson or two and could grasp the content, if not some of the details. Mom asked, how bad is it. His response was a quiet shake of the head and a concerned look. Us kids were scared, Mom and Dad left for the beer stained kitchen table.
Point is. Then we had access, however poorly, to information that steered our opinion. Today, we have access to information, that GUIDES our opinion. There is a H... of a difference. The MSS media across this globe, GUIDES our opinions.
So, to the question. Is it important that the World's Nation love us. NO
Is it important that the world's nations like us. NO
Is it important that the world's nations respect us YES
Is it important that the world's nations trust us to keep our word YES.
How the above are accomplished is the meat of our 4 year cycle of elections. The current one will determine the world's nations state of respect, love, likeablness, trust et al for at least 8 years.
Think about your vote. It will impact not only our personsl Four Freedoms, and the lack thereof, but the issues brought out in the posts.
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DodgeDan
Jul 10, 2008 | 9:30 AM

The truth is we shouldn't put a whole lot of concern onto what the rest of the world think, does anyone think that the leaders of China, Russia, India, England, Germany, etc. think when they make decisions about their domestic or foreign policies, I doubt it.
We have troubles here at home, the economy, fuel prices, insurance costs, loss of jobs, etc. Who has time to sit and worry about whether or not some Englishman in a 500 year old village like President Bush or not?? I maen really what difference does it make, these foreigners don't pay taxes here, vote here, live here or work here, we won't be asking anything of them in the future, let them have their opinions...who cares...

Kwikdraw-TX
Jul 10, 2008 | 2:16 PM

Take care of your own garden first and do unto others as you would have done to you.

I agree with the first sentence hear, but no one seems to consider A different outlook on the "Golden Rule" I like: Do unto others as others would have you do unto them. This way you're not imposing your beliefs on someone that doesn't want them.


What's your take? Do you care what the world thinks?

It really shouldn't be considered what the world thinks when it comes to operating our own country. At the same time if we are considerate to our friends and neighbors (allies) we should get along better. As for the enemies and those that decided they will force their ways upon everyone else wheather they want them or not, That should be dealt with swiftly and forcefully, this we must aintain for our own self preservation.

How much should our next president care?

MCCAIN DOES CARE, & I feel has more or less the same outlook. His age, experience and wisdom will be something we will need deserately in the coming years.

As far as bashing President Bush, tell em to shove it. He may not be perfect (Who Is?) but has done a helluva job with what he had to work with. Everyone needs to remember that it is the house and senate that has influence on every action. It's not just the President. The screw ups came 4 ears ago when the Democrats took over the house.

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Senior Web Producer, Political Junkie. Married and father of two. For me it's about "we the people." When the politicians fail to recognize that they work for us, I go to work on them. There's a lot of work to do these days. In this blog I will offer analysis, argument and opinion. I want you to respond. Convince me and others of your argument. Take the gloves off, but respect your fellow bloggers. Stay on the issue, not the person. Thanks. I look forward to the dialogue.

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