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The special counsel to the Detroit City Council has released it's report on how the council should proceed and deal with Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's civil lawsuit and subsequent undisclosed confidentiality agreement that spelled out how much money the city would pay out to former police officers. The amount 8.4 million dollars. The scandal: seems limitless if you believe everything you read.

There's is so much to digest, and you can find everything on this web site about the Mayor's scandal that your heart desires of you simply search the word "Kilpatrick." Here's what I think matters right now, and then I want to get your thoughts.

1. Q: Does the City Council have enough evidence and the authority to remove Mayor Kilpatrick from office?

A: The answer is probably yes, but the problem is that the process of doing so could take many months and cost millions because the Mayor's spokesperson Anthony Adams says they would fight such action in a court of law. SEE THE ADAMS INTERVIEW HERE

2. Q: The Mayor and his administration say they are not distracted by the ongoing scandal and that they simply continue to work toward moving the city forward. How can that be?

A: Look, there is now way that business leaders in the city and business leaders who are thinking about doing business in the city cannot consider the ramifications and trustworthiness of Kilpatrick and his administration. Fox 2 has spoken to several business owners who may feel compelled to give to the Mayor's defense fund in fear of retribution of getting shut out of deals if they don't. Some say he is waving his $300-million dollar city enhancement package as a carrot to business leaders to support him in order to get a piece of the pie. This is not a good way to do business, and what company not already involved in the city would want to get involved knowing this type of strong arm bureaucracy tactics. 

The Mayor and his staff say they are not distracted by the scandal and that all they will do and continue to do is work to move the city forward.  Kudos.  I hope that's true.  I find it hard to believe.  This attitude should have been expressed during the state of the city speech, which was awesome until the end when Kilpatrick went on his personal tirade -- dropping the N-word, going after Ken Cockrel and blaming the media for his problems.  Fair or not, I don't know how anyone can look at the Mayor and not immediately think about the scandal.

Moreover, I don't how the Mayor and his legal team and PR folks cannot spend countless hours working to defend the accusations.  They do.  How is that not distracting.

At the end of the day the City Council probably has the grounds to dismiss the Mayor, in spite of an ambiguous city charter.  The thing is if they pursue dismissal, it will likely cost millions of dollars and countless hours of legislative time that the city just cannot afford.

The only way this mayor leaves office is if he resigns, loses next year's election or gets convicted on perjury or misconduct charges.  The odds:  50:50 at best or worst depending on your point of view.

SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW?  LET ME KNOW.




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dgis50now read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 12:46 PM

Taking out the trash is easy if you use a can , but the problem is , you've got him dressed in $1000.00 Hefty bags, he is hard to remove with him looking good to the voters !
One day , Detroit voters will look past all the pretty and see him as just plain shitt...y ! xoxox dan the man xoxox

Det313 read my blog
May 8, 2008 | 3:08 PM

Why do you people want the mayor out of office. it cant be because of our budget or how many new businesses have come to the city. Or how many rec centers been remodled. you guys probably want him gone because of things he cant control. like the cuts in funding by the state and government that would usually be far greater. we have less to work with but are doing more and moving the city right along. why do you people want the man that came in and BALANCED the BUDGET after having over a $300,000,000 deficit when he got in office to leave. why do yall hate him so much. I dont understand it. More buildings are being knocked down. But with the foreclosure rates and the auto industry in the shambles its alot of abandoned homes around the State. That has nothing to do with the Mayor. He is doing what he can with what he has and is doing more with less than most of the Mayors we have had in this city. I'm only 25 Years old, and in the last 25 years I havn't seen Detroit This nice. the neighborhoods been messed up. Downtown been messed up. these things didn't happen after he got in office, but the improvements have. Downtown is a far greater place than it was 6 years ago. and alot of the neighborhoods too. so why do you guys want him gone so bad. so yall can stop progress or take the credit for the progress this city has made

Det313 read my blog
May 8, 2008 | 4:00 PM

P.S. do you people really think that if the city councel would have kown about the Text Messages they would not have settled the case. they would have had to. the text messages never came up during the trial. the text messages only came up after the jury awarded the officers the case (a jury with only 1 Detroiter on it). Why didn't it come up during the trial? they had to have them during the trial, so why didn't they come up. I'm not saying that the mayor doesn't have no role in this situation. yes i believe he did cheat on his wife. but we are not his wife or family, so therefore its none of our bussiness. I look at it like this, If the documents would not have been sealed the city council would have had to settle the case because of the mayors personal problems. the mayor left out that side and the city councel should have based their decission on the FACTS of the TRIAL. and if i was on the city councel I would have appealed the decission. I dont htink they did their research and settled (like they said they was when this whole mess started) instead of being logical. the councel doesn't listen to the mayor any other time it seems like so why are they mad at him for a case they settled

Det313 read my blog
May 8, 2008 | 4:07 PM

p.s. Ken Cockrell in 2006, had an employee who broke her ankle. three days later he fired her. she turned around and sued the city for $96,000 and won. in that settlement KC had a confidetiality agreement similar to the mayors. the only difference is KC broke the law Firing her (disability Act) and KC was one of the ones that approved the settlement. so why is he going after the Mayor so hard. Maybee because he will become the Mayor if the Mayor is put out perhaps. and he may be promissing Kenyatta and others oppertunities if he's in office, similar to what Freeman Hendrix did, and when he lost he owed all kinds of people money.

Pipper
May 8, 2008 | 5:00 PM

Frankly, i think everybody's sick of the whole s$%t! I say let the man finish his term and let him do what he does best. It really doesn't matter who takes over as mayor, the city is in the crapper and it's going to take years and years to turn it around, if ever. According to Forbes magazine (TODAY), DETROIT IS THE SECOND WORST CITY behind ATLANTA. New Orleans would have been in the top three, had it not been for katrina What do these three communities have in common?

LittleChickie
May 8, 2008 | 8:56 PM

Det313
It is really sad to read your comments. The reason he needs to be gone is he is a corrupt lying thief!!! I could not give a S... about his AFFAIRS, he did commit Perjury which at 25 you know what that means (lie under oath)what is even worse is his conspiracy with Ella Bully
to set up his people in Internal Affairs. This guy is as crooked as they come and if you think that is ok and can't see what he has done, I feel really sorry for you. Yes Detroit is looking better all the time, but he has not done all of this on his own Mayor Archer started several of the projects and other business leaders have contributed also. Those of you who think this Klown is God and it is ok to lie, cheat, steal, and cover up murder are the idiots Kwame's sister said you were.

Det313 read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 8:26 AM

Yes Mayor Archer did begin some of the stuff that is hear, but he also had us on the brink of receivership. we are not their anymore. as for covering up a murder I feel sorry for you if you really belive he had something to do with it. He is not a murderer. If you have done any real research about her case/autospsy report or witnessess statements tou would know who really killed her and what party she was at when she got beet up. People are so quick to judge someone off of RUMORS. We are all adults and need to look behind the crap we see on TV and do some real investigating. yes he had an affair like so many other men. Stabinaws husband solicited a prostitute over the internet and no one is running his name through the mud or trying to lock him up for commiting a crime. Instead he has been given immunity for testifying against the girl. thats not justice at all. If it was a black guy he would be in jail, or atleast facing the consiquences related to prostitution charges. Bill Clinton did the same thing KK has done but Clinton Wasn't Facing 70 years in jail because of it. KK is not God and I dont think of him as God. he's a man. and men make mistakes. he made a mistake. But I still beleive he's the best person for the job for the REAL CITIZENS OF DETROIT not for the citizens around the state, but for US THE CITIZENS OF DETROIT. Detroit has always been in the top 5 most dangerous cities that didnt start 6 years ago that started over 30 years ago.

LittleChickie
May 9, 2008 | 10:13 AM

Det313
You skirted right around the real issue of his lies and corruption. Lonny Bates was finally convicted and is being forced to pay restitution. Somehow, someway Kwame will be caught everytime he opens his mouth lies pour out. The difference betwee him and Bill Clinton is that KK was on the witness stand with his lies and Christine Beatty with her eye rolling in court are caught AND Clinton was not destroying police officers lives while trying to cover up his corruption of a government agency. I wouldn't care if he was black, white, blue or purple it does not matter what color or race you are wrong is wrong and the police officers are black also. I have just purchased a home in Detroit and I can tell you right now the taxes on this house is $ 1200.00 more a year than in Eastpointe and less services are provided, also while working on the house we set off the security system and it took the Detroit Police 1 hour to respond to the alarm company. I guess it just comes down to you can have a beautiful city with a crook for a Mayor or a rundown city with an ethical Mayor.

former_detroiter read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 10:20 AM

Det313

Move away from the affairs and the oh everyone else has done this thing........lol

Kwame is in deep doo doo because he perjured himself in a court of law. He ruined mens careers. He lied to the City Council.He has a track record of being shady with the city and the citizens. He committed a CRIME. He is a criminal. And criminals usually end updoing some timeno matter their color or position in life. No ones fault but his own. Martha Stewart went to jail, Snipes is going to jail...........why? They committed CRIMES. The key word is CRIMES. Get it?

former_detroiter read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 10:23 AM

Also it doesn`t matter how much good he has supposedly done. Doing good does not grant anyone immunity from prosecuton if they`ve committed CRIMES.

LittleChickie
May 9, 2008 | 10:39 AM

Thank you former_detroiter for the help, my kids are always telling me that I don't know how to explain things and you helped get my pooint across.

Det313 read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 1:32 PM

the officers lives were not ruined. they were still officers. they still recieved their pensions/ retirement packages. they were alot better off than most of us. they were not fired from DPD they were unappointed from his excecutive protection unit. designed to protect him from those who are sending death threats and calling him out of his name. and there is proof that those things are going on. we dont know if he did perjur himself or not. thats what the court is for, and if the court finds him guilty them so be it. but untill then we are in AMERICA and everyone is entitled to due process. the State & Government cut funding in detroit that is why our services have suffered. East point is a small city and dont need as many officers and other public entities. thats why they seem to have better services because they're serving a smaller community. a community with high property value so they have high property taxes. Detroit is one of the largest cities in the country, and at one point in time we had over 2,000,000 people. but after the riots alot of the people that are in uproar left abandoned the city and created these smaller cities. now detroit is spread out with only 900,000 citizens but with the same amount of ground to cover. do some real research and you'll understand why we are in the situation we're in. and KK in doing the best anyone can with the resources he has

Det313 read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 1:37 PM

p.s. he has a $300,000,000 plan to help solve the issues in which you guys are speaking of. has anyone came to the table with a plan. what do you people want? please elaborate for me so I can understand you guy's argument. what solutions have anybody brought to the table. can you yourself say you been involved in making the city better cause i can say I have and I will continue to do so how about you.

rosiesgirl read my blog
May 10, 2008 | 7:39 AM

Sorry, the guy should be called out of his name, he deserves no respect for all the crap he has inflicted upon this city. He has done a few things here, but I do not see any improvement in the majority of neighborhoods in Detroit. A few areas that are his "pet projects" benefit, THAT'S ALL. What I do see is dumping all the money on the riverfront. The everyday citizen recieves NOTHING for thier tax dollars....nothing but arrogance, lies, ego, crooks, and 30 minutes each week of b*u*l*l*s*h*i*t on comcast (with his invitation os family & friends to pump up his ego). You think Detroit is so much better than 30 years ago???? You need to wake up. It's not about his sex&texts....KWAME LIED ON THE STAND, trying to cover-up all his misdoings........I want and deserve MORE for my tax dollars. How about SOME STREET LIGHTS THAT WORK??? TRASH PICK UP WITHOUT A $300.00 A YEAR FEE??????? POLICE RESPONSE ?????? EMS COMING IN A TIMELY MANNER ?????? TEARING DOWN OF THE ABANDONED HOUSES??????? GETTING RID OF THE CRACK-DEALERS ON THE CORNER ??????? How about something more than bull**BLEEP in my city ???????

FITNESSCAMP read my blog
May 10, 2008 | 3:00 PM

wow as i read the statements here I have to wonder how do we know that the Mayor lied on the stand? Keep in mind that we have not heard from the officials at Skytel as to if all we have seen on the news and the paper are actual messages they gave to Stefanni. We know that the free press did not get them from skytel. Also if you go and read the US Code on stored communications you would see that messages can only be released in a criminal matter and the whistle blower civil trial is not a criminal case. also note that the evidence that will be used is from the free press and Stefani not from Skytel. Also when I know go to the parks in my city i can actually enjot them because the grass is cut and the trash is removed also the re pavement of some very bad roads in the city has been on going, and to say that a business would not want to have a great location like the skyline of Detroit is just crazy what sounds better world headquarters in redford, lansing, royal oak or Detroit and you all know when you go some where you say you are from Detroit you never say waterford, clawson, gardencity, ferndale, highland park, allen park and so on. Also if you read the charter you would know that the Mayor can appoint and un-appoint anyone he wants from the Deputy Mayor on down he does not need to consult with the chief the departments are the mayor's to run. He appointed Brown from the rank of commander to deputy chief and when they took Brown's deputy chief badge he would have got his commander's badge back , they never took Brown's ID card which if he was fired he would have to have

Det313 read my blog
May 11, 2008 | 7:29 PM

ROSIE YOU dont live in Detroit so how would you know

detroitgirldt read my blog view my photos
May 12, 2008 | 3:14 PM

Det313 have you actually took a look at the text messages they read between kwamee and christine that they want to fire those officers not unapoint. and if they werent fired how did they win that lawsuit. the whistleblower was a civil trial but kwamees purgery trial is criminal and he committed purgery at that civil trial therefore everything comes out civil or criminal

Det313 read my blog
May 12, 2008 | 4:28 PM

the mayor & beaty dont have the power to fire a police officer. the text messages you are reading came from steffani, not skytell. skytell never released text messages to the paper. we dont know the validity of those messages. they won the case because it was a jury of all non detroiters except for one, and only one black juror. and that was the same person.

Det313 read my blog
May 12, 2008 | 4:32 PM

p.s. the jury was 11 to 1 on the decission, and I can almost guarantee who that 1 was.

P.S. the officers retired and recieved their pensions. they were never fired from the police department nor were the stricken of their rank. they just were unappointed from the mayors security

Det313 read my blog
May 12, 2008 | 4:58 PM

read what Fitness Camp Wrote "wow as i read the statements here I have to wonder how do we know that the Mayor lied on the stand? Keep in mind that we have not heard from the officials at Skytel as to if all we have seen on the news and the paper are actual messages they gave to Stefanni. We know that the free press did not get them from skytel. Also if you go and read the US Code on stored communications you would see that messages can only be released in a criminal matter and the whistle blower civil trial is not a criminal case. also note that the evidence that will be used is from the free press and Stefani not from Skytel. Also when I know go to the parks in my city i can actually enjot them because the grass is cut and the trash is removed also the re pavement of some very bad roads in the city has been on going, and to say that a business would not want to have a great location like the skyline of Detroit is just crazy what sounds better world headquarters in redford, lansing, royal oak or Detroit and you all know when you go some where you say you are from Detroit you never say waterford, clawson, gardencity, ferndale, highland park, allen park and so on. Also if you read the charter you would know that the Mayor can appoint and un-appoint anyone he wants from the Deputy Mayor on down he does not need to consult with the chief the departments are the mayor's to run. He appointed Brown from the rank of commander to deputy chief and when they took Brown's deputy chief badge he would have got his commander's badge back , they never took Brown's ID card which if he was

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I am the Senior Web Producer for MyFoxDetroit.com and the Political Coordinator for the MyFox family of web sites coast to coast. I am crazy about politics, but not so much about the politicians. What's the difference? I like to think that government is about serving the needs of the people. I credit those who do that, and criticize those who don't.

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