Blindone's Blog

 To   Keiser26100's  &  boe57's Blog

You’re both a couple putz! Keiser, How dare you attack “The White Collar Workers”  with your lame challenge of working long hours in the same environment that you do.  It goes both ways fool! I’ve worked both sides of that fence and each has its own hardships. Your argument that white collar workers couldn’t hack it in your shoes has no bearing on the issue that you are trying to point out. Your being a “blue collar” worker does not make you any better than anyone else; the same go for the office folks. We each have different skill sets, and truth be known a lot of white collar workers got their start on the floor; thus making your point even less effective.

As for you argument about the management being responsible for all of your woes; you obviously got a limited understanding of the economics of the situation. For years both the union and management were in “bed” with each other; allowing the “status quo” to become  what it currently stands.

Truth is most autoworkers are over paid for what they are doing. The cost of doing business is dictating (to management) where their operating costs should be. THAT is what management is basing their figures on; not necessarily how much the CEO is being paid.

Both you and boe57 feel that it would be far better for the white collar workers to take the cut in pay instead of you poor abused factory rats. Wake up and smell the coffee sons….Who do you think has been taking the brunt of the pay cuts for the past 25 years?!? I can guarantee that it hasn’t been the factory folks! The factory folks still get a cost of living adjustment – quarterly! Up until recently you did not have to a co-pay for your medical expenses, you get a bonus when you sign the contract (agreement), you get (or used to) cash vouchers to use at the company store toward the purchase of work clothes. PLUS you get paid for all of the overtime that you work; a lot of salaried folks do not. (Unless you work on the floor)

And what REALLY makes me mad is your reference to management people as being terrorists. You dope smoking, beer swilling crack head! Get your head outta your rearend and take a breath. They aren’t ruining the country, yes there are greedy folks out there that are; but they are your management people, that is a fact. The real dirty ones are those cooking the financial books: the financial folks. Banks and lending institutions are the big players in that realm.

You complain about the statement made by the CEO; saying that if you don’t come back to the table with your tail between your legs and pony up to the offer, he’ll pack up his company and move to greener pastures. Just how did you expect him to respond to your situation?

To: Longshot………..

Ok, someone had a little too much Johnny Walker for breakfast this morning…………..

“My friend” (and I use that term loosely) you really need to get a grip. First of all your display of mental thought patterns went out with the dinosaurs. This is NOT and issue of “Us against Them”, it’s an issue on a couple fronts. One being an economic front, AA says that it cannot continue to operate at a level that exceeds its competition  (wages) and expect to turn a profit. The union fights back saying that they can’t afford a 55% pay cut; an understandable argument.

This is where AA screwed up, they took their plan of attack from the example that GM and others used. But instead of following it to the letter, they twisted it into an insane idea. And no wonder people are ticked off; GM’s contract uses a lower pay scale for new hires, everyone else is status quo.

The second problem here is with the historical data; the hourly folks (formerly GM) are paid way too much: a situation that both the union and management agreed to. They created this pay monster and now they have to figure out a way to live with it in today’s market. Only problem is, is the fact that the union officials as well as the rank and file won’t stand for any kind of pay cut. However that exactly what needs to happen; although not to the extreme that the management at AA claims it needs. I think that unlike my “friend” here claims, there is a happy medium that could be struck by both sides, and they just need to find it.

Longshot, you have your transmission stuck in reverse and need to come back to reality.

This is not the 60’s and management is not out there to stick it to the rank and file. Your rant stinks of bias and venom against “the establishment”.  In light of the current economy and the competition between companies today, sacrifices need to be made by both sides. It is not all one sided as you claim.

What’s wrong with AA calling back the laid off workers? They are just trying to keep the flow of goods and services running to their customers. Now admittedly I do not understand the logic of this attempt because I do not understand how AA could do this-those workers on layoff are still union workers, do they really think that they would cross the picket lines? I don’t. I also do not understand how AA could threaten those same workers with termination if they don’t come back….. Why not terminate the striking workers first? Then they could offer those vacant positions to the laid off workers: IF then the laid off folks refuse to comply: terminate them as well.

Enough of this nonsense; here’s the bottom line kids……………..and yes I’m talking to all of you narrow minded knuckle draggers (geez and I thought that I was the only one) IF some kind of agreement IS NOT reached, all of your ranting and screaming “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS” will be just that: hot air. AA will close its doors, shut off it lights, and go somewhere else with their business. And all of you knuckle dragging union boys will have two choices, (1) go ask your Union Representatives for jobs, (yeah right) , and (2) unemployment. That’s it no more no less.

So go ahead and make all of those damn near communistic comments and damn the torpedoes speeches, but in the end it’s all about how badly you want to keep your jobs. Period.

Prove me wrong. Look at history my proof is written there. If I need to spell it out for you, just look no further than the former GM truck plant at Willowrun.